good to see you, steve good to see you, chris. >> we were talking about this in the morning meeting. it seems there has been such a change. let's not forget barack obama and hillary clinton when running for president not so long ago were talking about civil unions not gay marriage. it is almost astonishing the change but do you take it as a clue she is running? >> i hope so. but i don't know. i think the reason she came out now is very clear. you know, secretary of state, it wasn't appropriate for her to get into the domestic politically -- >> this is the first thing she's come out publicly about. >> obviously the timing is the supreme court is about to do something and it's the right time to say something and something she believes strongly in. as you said, you know, the world is changing rapidly. you know, i remember in the 2004 presidential campaign i worked for john kerry and dick gephardt two great progressives and being for civil unions in that campaign was considered the leading edge. >> it was a big deal then. >> big deal. in 2016 every democrat running for president will be